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		<title>By: Beni Bevly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beni Bevly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 17:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Here I saw other perspectives that I even did not think about it before. 

&lt;strong&gt;Jakartass&lt;/strong&gt;, your comment is very comprehensive, yet you can presented it briefly. I am impressed!

I would like to point out one of the points that influences followers to be the good ones, &lt;em&gt;education&lt;/em&gt;. When I started my career at a conglomerate&#039;s corporation in Indonesia, most of my coworkers who were overseas graduated (western education) had one common characteristic, i.e. &lt;em&gt;outspoken&lt;/em&gt;. They would share what they knew, what they thought and they were not afraid to be told that they were wrong. This is one of the characteristics that makes people to be the good followers.

There are two articles, that I wrote, regarding education. I think they are worth to discuss, &lt;em&gt;first&lt;/em&gt; is in relation to how &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.overseasthinktankforindonesia.com/?p=12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a teacher should treat her/his students&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;second&lt;/em&gt; is regarding &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.overseasthinktankforindonesia.com/?p=8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;show and tell program&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; in the United States education system. It seems, Indonesia education system does not emphasize strong enough on these subjects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Here I saw other perspectives that I even did not think about it before. </p>
<p><strong>Jakartass</strong>, your comment is very comprehensive, yet you can presented it briefly. I am impressed!</p>
<p>I would like to point out one of the points that influences followers to be the good ones, <em>education</em>. When I started my career at a conglomerate&#8217;s corporation in Indonesia, most of my coworkers who were overseas graduated (western education) had one common characteristic, i.e. <em>outspoken</em>. They would share what they knew, what they thought and they were not afraid to be told that they were wrong. This is one of the characteristics that makes people to be the good followers.</p>
<p>There are two articles, that I wrote, regarding education. I think they are worth to discuss, <em>first</em> is in relation to how <em><strong><a href="http://www.overseasthinktankforindonesia.com/?p=12" rel="nofollow">a teacher should treat her/his students</a></strong></em>, <em>second</em> is regarding <em><strong><a href="http://www.overseasthinktankforindonesia.com/?p=8" rel="nofollow">show and tell program</a></strong></em> in the United States education system. It seems, Indonesia education system does not emphasize strong enough on these subjects.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakartass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakartass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 03:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good article, Beni, not least because it runs counter to the prevailing culture here in Indonesia. Consensus rules because those are the rules. Too many followers are &#039;passive&#039;, unwilling to upset the perceived status quo or to contradict their &#039;leaders&#039;. 

There may be the genuine fear of being &#039;wrong&#039;, because of incompetence or a sense of inadequacy for the job. This could well be due to economic factors - underemployment is a major consideration in these impoverished times - but is more likely a genuine lack of skills due to the paucity of an education system which does not encourage creativity or personal growth, but only the ability to memorise the &#039;right&#039; answers in examinations. 

There is, I believe, another, greater fear - that of being seen to be &#039;wrong&#039;, the concept of losing face. Surely it&#039;s the inner person which is of greater import. Is it worth having a nice &#039;face&#039;, if you&#039;re ugly inside?

As you say, Beni, there are some impressive comments here. I particularly agree with Rusdy&#039;s comment that &lt;i&gt;the value that no one holds anymore&lt;/i&gt; is of having a common goal, a shared vision.

When I say something like that on my site, folk start to comment that I must be some kind of communist, as if the &#039;gimme, gimme, me, me&#039; attitude is all-important. There appears to be a genuine fear of working for the common good, of sharing and caring. 

Surely the best leaders are those who allow each individual in a team to perform to his or her potential. The common good demands that we do what we can rather than what we can be seen to be doing. And this can only be achieved by everyone being a good listener and the acceptance of alternative, even dissenting, views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good article, Beni, not least because it runs counter to the prevailing culture here in Indonesia. Consensus rules because those are the rules. Too many followers are &#8216;passive&#8217;, unwilling to upset the perceived status quo or to contradict their &#8216;leaders&#8217;. </p>
<p>There may be the genuine fear of being &#8216;wrong&#8217;, because of incompetence or a sense of inadequacy for the job. This could well be due to economic factors &#8211; underemployment is a major consideration in these impoverished times &#8211; but is more likely a genuine lack of skills due to the paucity of an education system which does not encourage creativity or personal growth, but only the ability to memorise the &#8216;right&#8217; answers in examinations. </p>
<p>There is, I believe, another, greater fear &#8211; that of being seen to be &#8216;wrong&#8217;, the concept of losing face. Surely it&#8217;s the inner person which is of greater import. Is it worth having a nice &#8216;face&#8217;, if you&#8217;re ugly inside?</p>
<p>As you say, Beni, there are some impressive comments here. I particularly agree with Rusdy&#8217;s comment that <i>the value that no one holds anymore</i> is of having a common goal, a shared vision.</p>
<p>When I say something like that on my site, folk start to comment that I must be some kind of communist, as if the &#8216;gimme, gimme, me, me&#8217; attitude is all-important. There appears to be a genuine fear of working for the common good, of sharing and caring. </p>
<p>Surely the best leaders are those who allow each individual in a team to perform to his or her potential. The common good demands that we do what we can rather than what we can be seen to be doing. And this can only be achieved by everyone being a good listener and the acceptance of alternative, even dissenting, views.</p>
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		<title>By: Beni Bevly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beni Bevly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 00:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for all of your impressive comments.
&lt;strong&gt;
Guebukanmonyet&lt;/strong&gt; presented an excellent thesis that every leader needs to know, &quot;Good leadership should make good followership.&quot; This thesis even more important in paternalistic society such as in Indonesian community. In this type of society, followers tend to follow and adore their leader. 

However, leader is also an individual who can make mistakes just like everybody else. Let&#039;s say Soekarno and Soeharto. These two leaders for certain period were know as extraordinary leaders. On the other side they also made mistakes, but at that moment, before things went really bad, just a few of the followers who warned them. The majority of them were kept quite or even supported Soekarno&#039;s and Soeharto&#039;s incorrect actions. This situation happenned maily because of paternalistic culture that becomes one of the conformist and passive followers&#039; attributes.

I think, if there were enough exemplary followers at that time, Soekarno and Soeharto would have made better leaders.

&lt;strong&gt;Bleu&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;Ria&lt;/strong&gt; pointed out very critical issues, &quot;When to be a good follower.&quot; I will say Al Gore is one of the perfect example to decide when to stop and just to be a follower, instead keeping fighting to be the United States President. He showed his good followership skills in  the presidential election, actually Gore still had a chance to win and became the president. For very good reason, he stopped challenging Bush and the allegedly corrupt election system in Florida. His reason was to keep the integration of the nation.

The other example you can see how Nelson Mandela declined to join the second election in South Africa and chose to become the follower. 

&lt;strong&gt;Rusdy&lt;/strong&gt; remind us about something that is very basic in leadership, a leader must serve their followers, act as a servant. Leader must be able to aggregate, transform, articulate their followers&#039; needs. On the other side the followers need to understand and trust their leader based on their best judgment how to behave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for all of your impressive comments.<br />
<strong><br />
Guebukanmonyet</strong> presented an excellent thesis that every leader needs to know, &#8220;Good leadership should make good followership.&#8221; This thesis even more important in paternalistic society such as in Indonesian community. In this type of society, followers tend to follow and adore their leader. </p>
<p>However, leader is also an individual who can make mistakes just like everybody else. Let&#8217;s say Soekarno and Soeharto. These two leaders for certain period were know as extraordinary leaders. On the other side they also made mistakes, but at that moment, before things went really bad, just a few of the followers who warned them. The majority of them were kept quite or even supported Soekarno&#8217;s and Soeharto&#8217;s incorrect actions. This situation happenned maily because of paternalistic culture that becomes one of the conformist and passive followers&#8217; attributes.</p>
<p>I think, if there were enough exemplary followers at that time, Soekarno and Soeharto would have made better leaders.</p>
<p><strong>Bleu</strong> and <strong>Ria</strong> pointed out very critical issues, &#8220;When to be a good follower.&#8221; I will say Al Gore is one of the perfect example to decide when to stop and just to be a follower, instead keeping fighting to be the United States President. He showed his good followership skills in  the presidential election, actually Gore still had a chance to win and became the president. For very good reason, he stopped challenging Bush and the allegedly corrupt election system in Florida. His reason was to keep the integration of the nation.</p>
<p>The other example you can see how Nelson Mandela declined to join the second election in South Africa and chose to become the follower. </p>
<p><strong>Rusdy</strong> remind us about something that is very basic in leadership, a leader must serve their followers, act as a servant. Leader must be able to aggregate, transform, articulate their followers&#8217; needs. On the other side the followers need to understand and trust their leader based on their best judgment how to behave.</p>
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		<title>By: Ria Wibisono</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ria Wibisono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 04:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea. I also think that followership is a very important skill. Leaders must have this skill too, because I see so many ex-leaders who get the &#039;post-power syndrome&#039;. A lecturer have ever said to me, a leader must be able to manage, to prepare his/her successor, and in the end, to stop. Sometimes, to manage and to prepare the successor are not as difficult as to stop... 
That&#039;s why leaders must be able to be a follower even when he/she has become a leader for many times. In my opinion, the key is having a humble heart... because if we are not humble enough, it&#039;s hard to be a good follower and a good leader also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea. I also think that followership is a very important skill. Leaders must have this skill too, because I see so many ex-leaders who get the &#8216;post-power syndrome&#8217;. A lecturer have ever said to me, a leader must be able to manage, to prepare his/her successor, and in the end, to stop. Sometimes, to manage and to prepare the successor are not as difficult as to stop&#8230;<br />
That&#8217;s why leaders must be able to be a follower even when he/she has become a leader for many times. In my opinion, the key is having a humble heart&#8230; because if we are not humble enough, it&#8217;s hard to be a good follower and a good leader also.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 00:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe the best leaders are the best servants. As your article said, &quot;...to achieve a common goal, one does not need to be a leader all the time&quot;. Unfortunately, the world view on leadership, I think, at best has been misplaced. The world view of &#039;leadership&#039; these days is &#039;one who holds power or authority&#039; &lt;strong&gt;but&lt;/strong&gt; to one&#039;s own benefit.

Where as, I believe, a good leader is a servant for others, for the common goal (whatever the goal is). For example, a leader of a country is a servant for that country, using his skills to lead, manipulate and use required (and available) resources, &lt;strong&gt;for&lt;/strong&gt; the good of all.

For the rest, the followers, I think (read: subjectively), sometimes we need to be conformist, pragmatist, passive, or exemplary followers depends on the situation.

I believe there are times we simply need to follow orders without questioning (for example, in military situation, where the group is facing a dilemmatic situation) and &lt;strong&gt;trust&lt;/strong&gt; the decision from the leadership. Where as other time, where we can questions the effectiveness of decision from our leader, and give them better alternatives.

At the end of the day, it is the &lt;strong&gt;purpose&lt;/strong&gt; of that organisation (whether the purpose is for good or bad, that&#039;s another topic ;) ). Where everyone needs to work together, whether as leaders, or as followers to a common goal, NOT individual. Obviously, this is the value that no one holds anymore, especially in a commercial world ;)

-My two cents-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe the best leaders are the best servants. As your article said, &#8220;&#8230;to achieve a common goal, one does not need to be a leader all the time&#8221;. Unfortunately, the world view on leadership, I think, at best has been misplaced. The world view of &#8216;leadership&#8217; these days is &#8216;one who holds power or authority&#8217; <strong>but</strong> to one&#8217;s own benefit.</p>
<p>Where as, I believe, a good leader is a servant for others, for the common goal (whatever the goal is). For example, a leader of a country is a servant for that country, using his skills to lead, manipulate and use required (and available) resources, <strong>for</strong> the good of all.</p>
<p>For the rest, the followers, I think (read: subjectively), sometimes we need to be conformist, pragmatist, passive, or exemplary followers depends on the situation.</p>
<p>I believe there are times we simply need to follow orders without questioning (for example, in military situation, where the group is facing a dilemmatic situation) and <strong>trust</strong> the decision from the leadership. Where as other time, where we can questions the effectiveness of decision from our leader, and give them better alternatives.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, it is the <strong>purpose</strong> of that organisation (whether the purpose is for good or bad, that&#8217;s another topic <img src='http://www.overseasthinktankforindonesia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). Where everyone needs to work together, whether as leaders, or as followers to a common goal, NOT individual. Obviously, this is the value that no one holds anymore, especially in a commercial world <img src='http://www.overseasthinktankforindonesia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-My two cents-</p>
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		<title>By: bleu</title>
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		<dc:creator>bleu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 00:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one attribute of a good leader is knowing when to be a follower, the exemplary one...</description>
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		<title>By: guebukanmonyet</title>
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		<dc:creator>guebukanmonyet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 05:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. It&#039;s true we&#039;ve heard so much about leadership but not followership. But doesn&#039;t good leadership make good followership? I mean of course not perfectly, but in general I think that a good leadership will make a good followership system (automatically). Isn&#039;t that why good leadership so important? Because leadership tells your people which direction they should go. If the leadership fails to make people follow then it&#039;s a bad one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. It&#8217;s true we&#8217;ve heard so much about leadership but not followership. But doesn&#8217;t good leadership make good followership? I mean of course not perfectly, but in general I think that a good leadership will make a good followership system (automatically). Isn&#8217;t that why good leadership so important? Because leadership tells your people which direction they should go. If the leadership fails to make people follow then it&#8217;s a bad one.</p>
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