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		<title>By: HItam TApi CIna</title>
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		<dc:creator>HItam TApi CIna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Irwan,
I understand your kind intention. I also know that in doing  that you are trying to protect yourself and your family and friends from racial hatred. Sadly I have to tell you that it doesn&#039;t work that way. What you have done will only lost in translation. Borrowing the indonesian expression, &quot;seperti membuang garam ke laut&quot;.

Why it&#039;s useless, because:
1. Usually you are donating to poor community far away from your home. You should instead donate to your close neighbour who live in poverty and let them know that their neighbour chinese family is very kind to them.So when riots recur they hopefully remember your kindness and won&#039;t burn, kill or rape you.
2. They will still be poor and uneducated despite of your kind donation. The reason they will always be poor and uneducated because the government is always corrupt. As you know uneducated people go violent easily. Therefore you should put your effort on eliminating corruption and push the government to promote education and create more jobs for the people. All have to go hand in hand, otherwise you will not be able to break the cycle of poverty and hence violence against minority.
3. Don&#039;t be afraid to be involved in politics. Understand that, most indonesian want corruption eliminated totally from the government but they do not have enough political literacy to know how to do so. For example, they did not use their voting power during the last general election to change the corrupt government into a good one. Promoting political literacy to your fellow chinese and native Indonesian may be a good option to start with.

Being financially better is a strong point in your effort to encourage all the changes I mentioned above. Use that well for your favor. And remember being financially better is not a sin. You earned it and most of the chinese descendents honestly earned it by working very hard and managing their earnings well for more than 1 or 2 generations.

My apology for such a lengthy comment. I am not trying to patronize you, especially in the good effort you have done. I just don&#039;t want your effort to go in vain. What you have done, has been done by many chinese in Indonesia decades or centuries ago. In spite of all those kindness, the cycle of poverty and violence never breaks. And now again you are doing the exact same thing like our predecessor. You might not know this because the government has covered up this so tightly that only few people know about our true history.

I don&#039;t mean to discourage you, but since you have to deal with it anyway, this not a task you would expect to see results in 1 or 2 years. Expect 1 or 2 even 3 to 5 decades. But if you start right now by doing the right thing, may be things will change in the future and racial harmony is not a dream anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Irwan,<br />
I understand your kind intention. I also know that in doing  that you are trying to protect yourself and your family and friends from racial hatred. Sadly I have to tell you that it doesn&#8217;t work that way. What you have done will only lost in translation. Borrowing the indonesian expression, &#8220;seperti membuang garam ke laut&#8221;.</p>
<p>Why it&#8217;s useless, because:<br />
1. Usually you are donating to poor community far away from your home. You should instead donate to your close neighbour who live in poverty and let them know that their neighbour chinese family is very kind to them.So when riots recur they hopefully remember your kindness and won&#8217;t burn, kill or rape you.<br />
2. They will still be poor and uneducated despite of your kind donation. The reason they will always be poor and uneducated because the government is always corrupt. As you know uneducated people go violent easily. Therefore you should put your effort on eliminating corruption and push the government to promote education and create more jobs for the people. All have to go hand in hand, otherwise you will not be able to break the cycle of poverty and hence violence against minority.<br />
3. Don&#8217;t be afraid to be involved in politics. Understand that, most indonesian want corruption eliminated totally from the government but they do not have enough political literacy to know how to do so. For example, they did not use their voting power during the last general election to change the corrupt government into a good one. Promoting political literacy to your fellow chinese and native Indonesian may be a good option to start with.</p>
<p>Being financially better is a strong point in your effort to encourage all the changes I mentioned above. Use that well for your favor. And remember being financially better is not a sin. You earned it and most of the chinese descendents honestly earned it by working very hard and managing their earnings well for more than 1 or 2 generations.</p>
<p>My apology for such a lengthy comment. I am not trying to patronize you, especially in the good effort you have done. I just don&#8217;t want your effort to go in vain. What you have done, has been done by many chinese in Indonesia decades or centuries ago. In spite of all those kindness, the cycle of poverty and violence never breaks. And now again you are doing the exact same thing like our predecessor. You might not know this because the government has covered up this so tightly that only few people know about our true history.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to discourage you, but since you have to deal with it anyway, this not a task you would expect to see results in 1 or 2 years. Expect 1 or 2 even 3 to 5 decades. But if you start right now by doing the right thing, may be things will change in the future and racial harmony is not a dream anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hitam Tapi Cina, very well said, my friend, very well said. :)

@Irwan, for everything you and your organizations have done, I can&#039;t thank you enough. From the bottom of my heart, I thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hitam Tapi Cina, very well said, my friend, very well said. <img src='http://www.overseasthinktankforindonesia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Irwan, for everything you and your organizations have done, I can&#8217;t thank you enough. From the bottom of my heart, I thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: irwan s</title>
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		<dc:creator>irwan s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s the bottomline:

indonesian chinese IS minority (very small at that) less than 10% of population who are financially MUCH better off than the majority

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Violence against chinese minority has happened not only once. It started before the 20th century, it happened in 1920s, 1940s, 1960s, missed the 1980s then 1998. There is no guarantee it will not happened again&quot;&gt;

there is no guarantee that it will happen again either

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I am a member of one of the many chinese organisations in Indo. We&#039;ve done several things here to promote racial harmony. Such as doing voluntary social work and donating to the poor. We did this under the banner of our organisation.

It&#039;s one thing to expect racial harmony, it is another thing to do something tangible about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s the bottomline:</p>
<p>indonesian chinese IS minority (very small at that) less than 10% of population who are financially MUCH better off than the majority</p>
<blockquote cite="Violence against chinese minority has happened not only once. It started before the 20th century, it happened in 1920s, 1940s, 1960s, missed the 1980s then 1998. There is no guarantee it will not happened again">
<p>there is no guarantee that it will happen again either</p>
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<p>I am a member of one of the many chinese organisations in Indo. We&#8217;ve done several things here to promote racial harmony. Such as doing voluntary social work and donating to the poor. We did this under the banner of our organisation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to expect racial harmony, it is another thing to do something tangible about it.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: HItam TApi CIna</title>
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		<dc:creator>HItam TApi CIna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennie,
you are wrong to think that many chinese decendents do not want or like to acknowledge that. It is something that you can&#039;t escape from anyway and you cannot hide it even if you want to. Acknowledging who we are is not going to help and we have done that for ages anyway. All these discussion for what it&#039;s worth, however, are not getting to the ears and mind of the general population of Indonesia.The discussion about chinese and the problems surrounding them should be raised to the public area where everyone can listen and understand what they are all about. 

Considering the above, I would prefer to see your articles in lower class newspapers rather than the Jakarta Post.

You know what, I found myself having the same idea like you, too. Some day I want to go back home to Indonesia and contribute to the people, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennie,<br />
you are wrong to think that many chinese decendents do not want or like to acknowledge that. It is something that you can&#8217;t escape from anyway and you cannot hide it even if you want to. Acknowledging who we are is not going to help and we have done that for ages anyway. All these discussion for what it&#8217;s worth, however, are not getting to the ears and mind of the general population of Indonesia.The discussion about chinese and the problems surrounding them should be raised to the public area where everyone can listen and understand what they are all about. </p>
<p>Considering the above, I would prefer to see your articles in lower class newspapers rather than the Jakarta Post.</p>
<p>You know what, I found myself having the same idea like you, too. Some day I want to go back home to Indonesia and contribute to the people, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitam Tapi Cina, I and many others are aware of the history and things happening in Indonesia. One of the first steps to make a change is by acknowledging who we are and who our ancestors were.

Not all Chinese Indonesians wish to move to other countries and I myself and others might eventually return to Indonesia to contribute there. Meanwhile, I&#039;m working for betterment of mankind from USA. Time will come when I have to work from Indonesia directly.

You said it correctly, let the people decide where they wanna live. But we all must acknowledge our ancestors so we have a better sense of who we are and where we are going in the future.

Keep positive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitam Tapi Cina, I and many others are aware of the history and things happening in Indonesia. One of the first steps to make a change is by acknowledging who we are and who our ancestors were.</p>
<p>Not all Chinese Indonesians wish to move to other countries and I myself and others might eventually return to Indonesia to contribute there. Meanwhile, I&#8217;m working for betterment of mankind from USA. Time will come when I have to work from Indonesia directly.</p>
<p>You said it correctly, let the people decide where they wanna live. But we all must acknowledge our ancestors so we have a better sense of who we are and where we are going in the future.</p>
<p>Keep positive!</p>
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		<title>By: HItam TApi CIna</title>
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		<dc:creator>HItam TApi CIna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennie, 
You remind me of myself before the last riot in &#039;98. I dedicated my nergy and effort for the Indonesian people but what did I get? Fear, death and rape? I say You should look into the history of Indonesia more carefully and thoroughly while you are in America. Violence against chinese minority has happened not only once. It started before the 20th century, it happened in 1920s, 1940s, 1960s, missed the 1980s then 1998. There is no guarantee it will not happened again. in fact, I think it will happen again since there is no changes in the economic condition and well being of the Indonesian people.
Living abroad while telling your fellow chinese in Indonesia to be proud and loyal to their country which has treated them in a horrible way is unfair, as I know how it feels to be intimidated, to be discriminated and to be in the middle of the riot in 1998.
Why don&#039;t you help your poor fellow chinese back home to leave Indonesia and start a new life in america? Find a better future. That&#039;s what all your and my ancestor did when they came to Indonesia, right? 
As for Indonesia and their people, let them decide what they want. They can rot in their poverty, stupidity and corrupt government or they can change the situation. There is nothing that Indonesian chinese can do to help them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennie,<br />
You remind me of myself before the last riot in &#8217;98. I dedicated my nergy and effort for the Indonesian people but what did I get? Fear, death and rape? I say You should look into the history of Indonesia more carefully and thoroughly while you are in America. Violence against chinese minority has happened not only once. It started before the 20th century, it happened in 1920s, 1940s, 1960s, missed the 1980s then 1998. There is no guarantee it will not happened again. in fact, I think it will happen again since there is no changes in the economic condition and well being of the Indonesian people.<br />
Living abroad while telling your fellow chinese in Indonesia to be proud and loyal to their country which has treated them in a horrible way is unfair, as I know how it feels to be intimidated, to be discriminated and to be in the middle of the riot in 1998.<br />
Why don&#8217;t you help your poor fellow chinese back home to leave Indonesia and start a new life in america? Find a better future. That&#8217;s what all your and my ancestor did when they came to Indonesia, right?<br />
As for Indonesia and their people, let them decide what they want. They can rot in their poverty, stupidity and corrupt government or they can change the situation. There is nothing that Indonesian chinese can do to help them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rima, thank you for your encouragement. I notice that Indonesia is getting worse in many ways. It would require a lot of courage to speak up and make a difference. Please, at least, pray for all of us and Indonesia. God bless your kind heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rima, thank you for your encouragement. I notice that Indonesia is getting worse in many ways. It would require a lot of courage to speak up and make a difference. Please, at least, pray for all of us and Indonesia. God bless your kind heart.</p>
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		<title>By: rima fauzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>rima fauzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I salute you, an Indonesian of Chinese descent, who still has a strong sense of nationalism, and optimism for our (once) great nation.

I hope you and your peers will make a difference, will eradicate idiocy amongst ignorant Indonesians and will be able to break the barriers of differences in race, culture and religion that is alarmingly strengthening in Indonesia.

I, for one, have lost faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I salute you, an Indonesian of Chinese descent, who still has a strong sense of nationalism, and optimism for our (once) great nation.</p>
<p>I hope you and your peers will make a difference, will eradicate idiocy amongst ignorant Indonesians and will be able to break the barriers of differences in race, culture and religion that is alarmingly strengthening in Indonesia.</p>
<p>I, for one, have lost faith.</p>
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